Map add/remove requests thread...

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  1. l337Espeon Administrator Staff Member

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    I am not making changes until I get more feedback. The list is a place to start, you are free to post which maps you think should stay or go. The more feedback the better the outcome.
     
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    Map add/delete reply

    Maps to Keep: surf_10x_final surf_akai_final surf_cow-style surf_XIV_v2a surf_skyworld_unlimited. I really do agree with most of the removes. It's sad to see some of the machines go, but everything else is almost like a cancer to the realm list. As for the maps i have posted above, I see no reason for their removal. They are played somewhat regularly, do not have gamebreaking flaws, and are actually pretty fun. XIV may be a stretch with the force buy glitch, but i rarely see it used. Unlimited is also a pure fun map, with no real problems. I personally love cow aswell, and see no reason for its removal. Some maps that you were looking to add that i disagree with are: Stonework2, Healthy, The Distance, and pretty much any skill map posted. These maps may be fun for a select few, but a majority of the server are not skill surfers. If skill surfing was wanted, people could go to KSF. To me, this server is one of the last few combat surfs without an rpg menu. The server should stick to simple, but fun combat surf maps. These skill maps may look fun, but they will be nominated by few, surfed competently by fewer, completed by even fewer, and rtved by a majority. I just do not see reason for addition of these skill maps. Another point towards that, is well, just look at fruits and veggies. These are, by far, more simplistic skill maps, but a majority of the server( i mean majority, 90% ish) can not complete them. This being the case, why add anymore skill maps? These simple fruits and veggies get rtved very quickly as it is. There's some feedback espeon.
     
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    i think we should keep bigloop_2008 it may be tedious at times but its a nice mix between surf/bhop/DM
     
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    Well, I am far from butt hurt... I was just trying to help, I don't think we should remove any maps from the DM or standard surf, That shit remake of bigloop being the exception... My point is, Add them or don't... I really could give a shit, As far as voicing his opinion goes, I didn't expect there to be a debate over something like this, I will tag which are which... After that, this is all up to other people... I am done
     
  5. Uragan Veteran Stalker

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    Then please suggest some good combat surf maps, by complaining about it without suggesting anything new won't do jack shit. And I addressed bigloop and surf_dust2 later in my post.

    All right, let's not get into a flame war here about people who like using the /rank command and like getting it up. And it isn't really the majority of FaceWAN that hates bigloop to be honest, it's more 50/50 and I added to the remove list for a few reasons which I state below.

    The solution is that we need people to suggest more combat surf maps alongside the plethora of skill map suggestions. I know most surf people here think that their opinion can get out by just saying shit on the server when in reality, us super mods can't take note of all the suggestions. The only reason why we're adding those skill maps is because no one else suggested any combat surf maps. All these people just came here to complain about suggestions and the removal list even if they were registered for a little while. They should really think about contributing to the community and servers by suggesting decent maps.

    10x was never removed, only the ugly final version was. Reloaded, which is the most popular, still is around. The same goes for akai_final, there is a final version where there are numbers in it.

    As for cow-style, I personally believe we shouldn't give Mr. Cow any fame on our servers after he got himself banned and said he didn't give a shit about the servers. In my opinion, we shouldn't support assholes like that and boost their ego at all after they are banned. XIV had the forcebuy glitch which if someone can fix or find a fixed version for, I'd be more than happen to get it added again. Finally, skyworld was removed because of it's problem where top could easily be camped. It was a mess of poor level design because it just crams everyone into the same camping area where you'll most likely get knifed or shot as soon as you go out through the teleport. As always, I'm open to suggestions for fixes on this map too and I honestly don't believe the unlimited version fixed the camp unless someone can tell me otherwise.

    Now onto one of the bigger topics, bigloop. The main reason for the idea of this removal is because half the time, it's just people bhopping around killing with a shotgun. I don't see how that can be considered surfing. Also, the huge clusterfuck in the middle of the map is also annoying and can easily be camped. If someone can fix or has a fix of this map with more surfing and less of a clusterfuck at the middle area, then I'd be open-minded enough to go for it to be added. However, if too many people bitch about this map, I guess we can keep it if it matters that much.

    Also, surf_dust2_2008_final can be added to the remove list if people do not like it. I would be more than happy to agree with you on that as I wasn't the one to say it should stay.

    For the amount of DM maps being removed, most of the reasons are because they are the same map or they are too linear for DM.

    Right here I'll actually post the list of map removals with the reasoning behind it.

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    Regular Surf Map Removals:
     
    surf_10x_final - Remove - surf_10x_reloaded is the best version.
    surf_10x_scratch - Remove - surf_10x_reloaded is the best version.
    surf_austinpowers_ffix - Remove - This crashed players at a certain part.
    surf_2012_beta12 - Remove - Terrible full bright map.
    surf_aim_akcolt - Remove - Not even surf.
    surf_akai_final - Remove - surf_akai_f1n4l is the best version.
    surf_akai_two - Remove - surf_akai_f1n4l is the best version.
    surf_banocanyon_revamp_v3 - Remove - Not played.
    surf_cow-style - Remove - Mr. Cow made it.
    surf_skate_park_f1x3d - Remove - Not even surfing, just bhop.
    surf_ny_bigloop_2008a - Remove - Clusterfuck and not even surf.
    surf_teenpregnancy_lite - Remove - Not played.
    surf_buck-around - Remove - Not played.
    surf_buck-ed_up - Remove - Not played.
    surf_drought_light2 - Remove - Massive spawn kill issue.
    surf_fastspiral_2 - Remove - Not played/possible FPS issues.
    surf_fastspiral_retro - Remove - Not played/possible FPS issues.
    surf_greatest_river - Remove - xDream is the best version.
    surf_greatriver - Remove - xDream is the best version.
    surf_greatriver_neroxx_v1 - Remove - xDream is the best version.
    surf_infinity - Remove - FPS issues.
    surf_legends_lite - Remove - surf_legends is the best version.
    surf_machine - Remove - surf_machine4 is the better version.
    surf_machine2 - Remove - surf_machine4 is the better version.
    surf_machine3_v1 - Remove - surf_machine4 is the better version.
    surf_machine_reloaded - Remove - surf_machine4 is the better version.
    surf_machine_remix_v2 - Remove - surf_machine4 is the better version.
    surf_matrix_v7 - Remove - surf_matrix_v8 exists.
    surf_ny_bigloop_v6 - Remove - Clusterfuck and not even surf.
    surf_ny_momentum_v3_1 - Remove - Not played.
    surf_ny__resist - Remove - Not played.
    surf_skyscraper - Remove - surf_skyscraper_2005_prisonv4 is better.
    surf_skyworld - Remove - Camping issues.
    surf_skyworld2 - Remove - Camping issues.
    surf_skyworld_double_b9 - Remove - Camping issues.
    surf_skyworld_rocker - Remove - Camping issues.
    surf_skyworld_unlimited - Remove - Camping issues.
    surf_XIV_v2a - Remove - Exploitation of Force buy.
     
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    Surf DM Map Removals:
     
    surf_10x_scratch - Remove - Reloaded is the best version.
    surf_austinpowers_ffix - Remove - Crashes players/linear.
    surf_ag_texture_final - Remove - Linear.
    surf_aim_akcolt - Remove - Not surf.
    surf_akai_f1n4l - Remove - Linear.
    surf_akai_final - Remove - Linear.
    surf_blockfortv1 - Remove - Not surf.
    surf_buck-around - Remove - Not played.
    surf_buck-ed_up - Remove - Not played.
    surf_drought_light2 - Remove - Spawn Killing issues.
    surf_dusty_roads - Remove - Linear.
    surf_electron - Remove - Linear.
    surf_fastspiral_2 - Remove - Linear.
    surf_fastspiral_retro - Remove - Linear.
    surf_ffa_09_mh - Remove - Spawn killing issues.
    surf_greatest_river - Remove - Neroxx is the best version for DM.
    surf_greatriver - Remove - Neroxx is the best version for DM.
    surf_greatriver_xdre4m - Remove - Neroxx is the best version for DM.
    surf_hang_time_reloaded - Remove - Skill map.
    surf_infinity - Remove - FPS issues.
    surf_insignia_b1 - Remove - Skill map.
    surf_intox - Remove - Skill map.
    surf_legends_lite - Remove - surf_legends is the best version.
    surf_machine - Remove - surf_machine4 is the best version.
    surf_machine2 - Remove - surf_machine4 is the best version.
    surf_machine3_v1 - Remove - surf_machine4 is the best version.
    surf_machine_reloaded - Remove - surf_machine4 is the best version.
    surf_machine_remix_v2 - Remove - surf_machine4 is the best version.
    surf_matrix_v7 - Remove - surf_matrix_v8 is the best version.
    surf_ny_bigloop_v6 - Remove - Not surf/clusterfuck.
    surf_ny_momentum_v3_1 - Remove - Not played.
    surf_ny__resist - Remove - Not played.
    surf_rebel_resistance_final11 - Remove - Linear.
    surf_skyscraper - Remove - Linear.
    surf_skyscraper_2005_prisonv4 - Remove - Linear.
    surf_skyworld - Remove - Camping issues.
    surf_skyworld2 - Remove - Camping issues.
    surf_skyworld_double_b9 - Remove - Camping issues.
    surf_skyworld_rocker - Remove - Camping issues.
    surf_skyworld_unlimited - Remove - Camping issues.
    surf_tronic - Remove - Skill map.
    surf_XIV_v2a - Remove - Obvious reasons.
    surf_year3000 - Remove - Linear.
    
    Infinity, Espeon, and myself spent a good amount of time in TS working on deciding this shit. Maybe some of the people who have suggestions should hop in as well so we can talk business about this. I, along with Infinity and Espeon are always open to suggestions about this stuff and would be happy to look into maps to make sure they are proper surf maps.

    Edit:

    Also people, please try to keep this civilized so we do not have a flame war here. This is a forum, not a place to trashtalk people who like /rank or people who like/don't like certain maps. I stated this above but I'll put it down here so hopefully people read it.
     
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    Just a quick comment [currently at work] about the skyworld camping issue, the majority of surf dm maps have some version of a jail that gets camped to hell. Why is a portal, that is easy to get away from [just telehop], more of a problem than an impossible-to-escape-w.o-assistance jail like Bannocanyon or year 3000?

    ::Edit::
    That being said, there is no reason for 5 versions. I vote to keep the best one [the original]. Unlimited is a poor choice to keep because if someone doesn't like it they will just go to a corner and fall until the map gets rtv'd.
     
  9. Uragan Veteran Stalker

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    Well the problem with skyworld is that it is literally poor level design. Mainly because it pushes every player who surfs through the map through one teleport. While yes, you can telehop, it still has an issue with the telecamping regardless of whether you telehop or not. Like I said above, I'd be happy to receive a version of skyworld that does not have this problem but until then, I see it as a big problem map.

    In fact, I'd rather have teleports alongside the top teleport that go to both spawns. That could probably fix the problem. If there is enough demand for the map, I might do that on my own time.
     
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    surf_aircontrol_v2 can be added to the list of removals for both servers. It's a shitty skill/race map where you have to get to the end without dying. It's not very fun at all really. Also surf_ffa_09_mh should be added to the list of removals for DM.
     
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    I want to suggest a map that really makes surf_machine much more fun and better to use. Its got lots more secrets, same version as v4.
    Pros:
    More Secrets
    More Ramps
    Cons:
    FPS Issue due to Weapon spawn, I can show an admin where that is and hope that they can fix that thru hammer.
    CSSBANANA: surf_machine4_secret_v4_remix (Counter-Strike: Source > Maps > Surf Style)
    Map Name: surf_machine4_secret_v4_remix
    Thanks, and hope this map is added to DM.
     
  13. Uragan Veteran Stalker

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    I don't really do much with CSS anymore but when are these changes going to take place?
     
  14. l337Espeon Administrator Staff Member

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    Well I heard a ration of shit over removing maps, so I guess I'll just add maps in. Maybe I'll set up some system for voting maps into the servers.
     
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    hmmmmm....hmmmmm....let me see, Surf_ski_2?.....Surf_rebel_resistance? (Not sure if we have that one)........
     
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    Guys in all honesty, I find ALL the maps fun, or maybe it just spending time with yall, lol
     
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    In my opinion, all skyworld, greatriver (except for neroxx version), machine (except for machine4) and bigloop maps should be deleted.
    Surf_drought_light2 shouldn't be deleted, but remade to get rid of that spawnkill problem. In fact, it's a very nice linear map with good jail and smooth ramps.
    I also discovered that an average surf DM player really likes freestyle maps, like buck-wild, and buck-that will be a good addition. I'll search for another freestyle/arena maps as soon as i have time and will and will post them here.
     
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    Bump.

    Regular Surf Map Removals:

    surf_10x_final - Remove - surf_10x_reloaded is the best version.
    surf_10x_scratch - Remove - surf_10x_reloaded is the best version.
    surf_2012_beta12 - Remove - Terrible full bright map.
    surf_aim_akcolt - Remove - Not even surf.
    surf_akai_final - Remove - surf_akai_f1n4l is the best version.
    surf_akai_two - Remove - surf_akai_f1n4l is the best version.
    surf_banocanyon_revamp_v3 - Remove - Not played.
    surf_cow-style - Remove - Mr. Cow made it.
    surf_fastspiral_2 - Remove - Not played/possible FPS issues.
    surf_fastspiral_retro - Remove - Not played/possible FPS issues.

    surf_greatest_river - Remove - xDream is the best version.
    surf_greatriver - Remove - xDream is the best version.
    surf_greatriver_neroxx_v1 - Remove - xDream is the best version.
    surf_infinity - Remove - FPS issues.
    surf_legends_lite - Remove - surf_legends is the best version.
    surf_matrix_v7 - Remove - surf_matrix_v8 exists.
    surf_ny_momentum_v3_1 - Remove - Not played.
    surf_ny__resist - Remove - Not played.
    surf_skyscraper - Remove - surf_skyscraper_2005_prisonv4 is better.

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    Surf DM Map Removals:

    surf_10x_scratch - Remove - Reloaded is the best version.
    surf_austinpowers_ffix - Remove - Crashes players/linear.
    surf_ag_texture_final - Remove - Linear.
    surf_aim_akcolt - Remove - Not surf.
    surf_akai_f1n4l - Remove - Linear.
    surf_akai_final - Remove - Linear.
    surf_blockfortv1 - Remove - Not surf.
    surf_buck-around - Remove - Not played.
    surf_buck-ed_up - Remove - Not played.
    surf_dusty_roads - Remove - Linear.
    surf_electron - Remove - Linear.
    surf_fastspiral_2 - Remove - Linear.
    surf_fastspiral_retro - Remove - Linear.
    surf_ffa_09_mh - Remove - Spawn killing issues.
    surf_greatest_river - Remove - Neroxx is the best version for DM.
    surf_greatriver - Remove - Neroxx is the best version for DM.
    surf_greatriver_xdre4m - Remove - Neroxx is the best version for DM.
    surf_hang_time_reloaded - Remove - Skill map.
    surf_infinity - Remove - FPS issues.
    surf_insignia_b1 - Remove - Skill map.
    surf_intox - Remove - Skill map.
    surf_legends_lite - Remove - surf_legends is the best version.
    surf_matrix_v7 - Remove - surf_matrix_v8 is the best version.
    surf_rebel_resistance_final11 - Remove - Linear.
    surf_skyscraper - Remove - Linear.
    surf_tronic - Remove - Skill map.
    surf_XIV_v2a - Remove - Not suitable for DM
    surf_year3000 - Remove - Linear.

    I modified the map removal list a ton for stuff I am not sure about. I essentially removed the maps that people got pissy about last time. I should provide a bit of explanation of what some of these mean.

    (map) is best version. - Essentially means that there is one version of the map that is favored by the community or has features that make it suitable for that specific server.

    Not even surf - Self-explanatory, some maps like surf_aim_akcolt aren't really surf. The gameplay encourages players to do more shooting players on foot instead of surfing around the map to get an advantage.

    FPS issues - Quite obvious, it means that the map has poor optimization and causes users to lag. Could someone also confirm which fast spiral has the FPS issues?

    Not played - A map that isn't very popular.

    Mr. Cow made it - A map that was made by an asshat who had no care for the rules or servers. I don't want his shitty bland map making skills supported by FaceWAN.

    Linear - Typically a map that doesn't flow well for the DM server, people prefer freestyle and arena style maps as stated by HadZnak above.

    Skill map - Doesn't belong on a DM server, gameplay doesn't work.

    Read: This map removal list is just an idea of what to remove, if you have criticism or a suggestion, post about it respectfully, don't start bitching.
     
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    I decided to say fuck it and added all the maps requested in this thread. Here is a list of all the maps added to each server.
    Don't worry, nothing has been removed..


    Regular Surf
    surf_anonymity
    surf_artifex
    surf_bork
    surf_calibration
    surf_collection_njv
    surf_faint_fix
    surf_foldingworlds
    surf_forbidden_tomb4
    surf_freedom
    surf_healthy
    surf_industries
    surf_lt_omnific
    surf_mash-up
    surf_pyrism_njv
    surf_ragequit
    surf_salvia
    surf_sensation
    surf_sexyartz
    surf_shweet
    surf_stonework2
    surf_the_distance
    surf_unusual_njv


    DM Surf
    surf_adverse
    surf_buck-fever2
    surf_buck-this
    surf_cp_desolation_DM
    surf_funpark_reloaded_v1
    surf_lascivious
    surf_ritalin
    surf_the_flow
    surf_vindictive


    Bhop
    bhop_HaddocK
    bhop_null_fix
    bhop_porschy
    bhop_portal
    bhop_sqee
    bhop_Wayz_beta
    bhop_wouit_v2